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[GEN-BENELUX] Jacob van der Goes, of Borgholm, and Andris van der Goes of Antwerp as guardians of the orphans, Jacob, Claes, and Peter Cornelissen

Willard Saunders
10.07.2011 - 03:47
Need assistance with the following text (undocumented);

February 1601, Jacob van der Goes, of Borgholm, and Andris van der
Goes of Antwerp, appeared and claimed for themselves and also as
guardians of the orphans, Jacob, Claes, and Peter Cornelissen, sons of
Cornelius Petersson, deceased, in his lifetime merchant on Walcheren,
and the interest of Cornelis, his daughter, who has apponted said
Jacbob van der Goes her representative to claim all goods belonging to
the deceased, in Walcheren

What is the familial connection (if any) between Jacob van der Goes,
of Borgholm, and Andris van der Goes of Antwerp?

Thank you,

Willard Saunders
Washington, DC

Richard Keijzer
10.07.2011 - 11:38
On 10 jul, 03:47, Willard Saunders <willardsaund...@gmail.com> wrote:
Need assistance with the following text (undocumented);

February 1601, Jacob van der Goes, of Borgholm, and Andris van der
Goes of Antwerp, appeared and claimed for themselves and also as
guardians of the orphans, Jacob, Claes, and Peter Cornelissen, sons of
Cornelius Petersson, deceased, in his lifetime merchant on Walcheren,
and the interest of Cornelis, his daughter, who has apponted said
Jacbob van der Goes her representative to claim all goods belonging to
the deceased, in Walcheren

What is the familial connection (if any) between Jacob van der Goes,
of Borgholm, and Andris van der Goes of Antwerp?

Thank you,

Willard Saunders
Washington, DC

Hi Willard,

Hard to say without the original document, which presumably is in
Dutch? One could say that Jacob and Andris (could be Andries) are
related. They perform the function of "voogd" or "momboir", meaning
legal guardian. There doesn't have to be a family relation between
children and their voogd, although often there is.

Could you tell us where you found this information, so that we might
find some related documents? It also helps to be able to see the
original document or a scan thereof.

Cheers

Richard

"Aug. de Man"
10.07.2011 - 21:28
February 1601, Jacob van der Goes, of Borgholm, and Andris van
derGoes of Antwerp, appeared and claimed for themselves and
also as guardians of the orphans, Jacob, Claes, and Peter
Cornelissen, sons of Cornelius Petersson, deceased, in his
lifetime merchant on Walcheren, and the interest of Cornelis,
his daughter, who has apponted said Jacbob van der Goes her
representative to claim all goods belonging to the deceased,
in Walcheren

What is the familial connection (if any) between Jacob van der
Goes, of Borgholm, and Andris van der Goes of Antwerp?

I told you all the time I thought there would prove to be a relation
between this Jacob van der Goes from Walcheren (not Borgholm,
see text below) and the Antwerp family - which originally also came
from Goes on the island of Walcheren.
Maybe Andries was Jacob's brother. (That does NOT prove Jacob
was an unknown son of 'landsadvocaat' Adriaan van der Goes
who also had a son Andries. That Andries (1537-1591) was my
ancestor, 'raad en rentmeester-generaal van Holland'.)

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=kings-highway&id=I3418
The following is extracted from "The Old World Progenitors of
the Wckoff Family, A Genealogy" compiled by William Forman Wyckoff.
Cornelius Petersson, eldest son of Captain Peter Eriksson and his
wife Matilda was born in 1560. He was a trader, owning and
operating the ship Calmarsund of Borgholm on Oland. Cornelius
married Johanna, daughter of Jacob van der Goes May 12, 1593
in Calmar Cathedral. (Look for Kalmar Domkyrka, AdM)
He engaged with his father-in-law, in trade on the Baltic and the
Zuyderzee, to Nordinge in East Friesland, and as far as the (! AdM)
Walcheren in Zeeland. In February 1601, when "Jacob van der Goes,
of Borgholm (wrong, AdM), and Andris van der Goes of Antwerp,
appeared and claimed for themselves and also as guardians of
the orphans, Jacob, Claes, and Peter Cornelissen, sons of Cornelius
Petersson, deceased, in his lifetime merchant on Walcheren,
and the interest of Cornelis, his daughter, who has apponted said
Jacbob van der Goes her representative to claim all goods
belonging to the deceased, in Walcheren."

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/k/i/n/Joyce-A-Kintzel/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-1436.html
Peter Erikson, born 11 Sep 1527 at Borgholm, on the island
of Oland ... (should be Öland, AdM)
This doughty Captain Peter had certain interesting business
relations with one Jacob van der Goes of Walcheren in
Holland, and thereby hangs a tale of considerable significance
to his descendants; for out of these relations came
acquaintance between Peter's son and Jacob's daughter,
which ripened into love and marriage. Yet it is not to be
assumed from this happy outcome that said business
relations were altogether friendly. On the contrary, the
two fathers were at legal odds. It may be that these
business difficulties between their elders properly
roughened the road for the proverbial progress of the
true love of these children. Probably sternly forbidden
to see each other, young Cornelius and the fair
Johanna were irresistibly drawn together" Kapten Peter
Eriksson gifte sig med kopman Cornelius van Houden'
dotter Matilda, och hade med henne en son Cornelius
Petersson omkring 1560, af Borgland pa Oland.
[Captain Peter Eriksson married Matilda, a daughter
of the merchant, Cornelius van Houden, and had with
her a son, Cornelius Petersson about 1560, at Borgland
on Oland. (No, Öland, I told you! AdM)

And here is another Matilda ...
Her son was Cornelius Petersson who married Johanna,
daughter of Jacob van der Goes.
There daughter was called Mathilda/Johanna/whatever
Cornelis. meaning: daughter of Corneli(u)s.

August de Man

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Need assistance with the following text (undocumented);

February 1601, Jacob van der Goes, of Borgholm, and Andris van der
Goes of Antwerp, appeared and claimed for themselves and also as
guardians of the orphans, Jacob, Claes, and Peter Cornelissen, sons of
Cornelius Petersson, deceased, in his lifetime merchant on Walcheren,
and the interest of Cornelis, his daughter, who has apponted said
Jacbob van der Goes her representative to claim all goods belonging to
the deceased, in Walcheren

What is the familial connection (if any) between Jacob van der Goes,
of Borgholm, and Andris van der Goes of Antwerp?

Thank you,

Willard Saunders
Washington, DC


"Aug. de Man"
10.07.2011 - 22:23
February 1601, Jacob van der Goes, of Borgholm, and Andris van
derGoes of Antwerp, appeared and claimed for themselves and
also as guardians of the orphans, Jacob, Claes, and Peter
Cornelissen, sons of Cornelius Petersson, deceased, in his
lifetime merchant on Walcheren, and the interest of Cornelis,
his daughter, who has apponted said Jacob van der Goes her
representative to claim all goods belonging to the deceased,
in Walcheren

What is the familial connection (if any) between Jacob van der
Goes, of Borgholm, and Andris van der Goes of Antwerp?

More information from these Wyckoff documents on
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/k/i/n/Joyce-A-Kintzel/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-1432.html:
Claes Cornelisz, born at Boda, on Oland, April 3, 1597,
son of Cornelius Petersson and Johanna van der Goes,
of the island of Walcheren, Holland, and Calmar, Sweden,
a trader on the Baltic and the Zuyderzee, and part-owner
of the ship Calmarsund, was a minor when his father died
in 1599, and under the guardianship of
_his maternal grandfather, Jacob van der Goes_, in 1603.
Pity Andries is not mentioned here.
He married November 9, 1623, a grand-niece of his guardian,
Margaret[ha], daughter of Martyn van der Goes of Middelburg,
Walcheren, and his wife Margaretha, daugher of Benjamin
Tysen, of Amsterdam.
We know already a Martijn or Martinus as Johanna's brother, so
Jacobus's son.
This other Martijn had six children:
Andries (!) van der Goes, Tysen van der Goes, Philips van der
Goes, Jacobus van der Goes, Margaretha who married Claes
Cornelisz, Cornelia who married Cornelis Lambertzen.
If Andries and Andries were brothers, and both called their son
Martijn - after their father? - would 'grand-niece' be a good
word for the relation between Jacobus and Margaretha,
daughter of his brother's son? I think so.

The story is interesting.
Pieter, the son of Claes Cornelisz and Margaretha van der Goes,
born 1625 on Öland, went from Amsterdam to New Amsterdam
and called himself
"Peter Claesz Wyckoff", probably meant as "refugee"!
(de wijk nemen - to flee away.)

AugustdM.


Willard Saunders
11.07.2011 - 05:53
"Peter Claesz Wyckoff", probably meant as "refugee"! He is my
ancestor. Have always wondered about the surname 'Wyckoff.' Two views
of his house are attached. See also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_oldest_buildings_in_New_York

Thank you.

On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Aug. de Man
<augdeman.a.email@anonym; wrote:
February 1601, Jacob van der Goes, of Borgholm, and Andris van
derGoes of Antwerp, appeared and claimed for themselves and
also as guardians of the orphans, Jacob, Claes, and Peter
Cornelissen, sons of Cornelius Petersson, deceased, in his
lifetime merchant on Walcheren, and the interest of Cornelis,
his daughter, who has apponted said Jacob van der Goes her
representative to claim all goods belonging to the deceased,
in Walcheren

What is the familial connection (if any) between Jacob van der
Goes, of Borgholm, and Andris van der Goes of Antwerp?

More information from these Wyckoff documents on
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/k/i/n/Joyce-A-Kintzel/WEBSITE-=
0001/UHP-1432.html:
0 Claes Cornelisz, born at Boda, on Oland, April 3, 1597,
0 son of Cornelius Petersson and Johanna van der Goes,
0 of the island of Walcheren, Holland, and Calmar, Sweden,
0 a trader on the Baltic and the Zuyderzee, and part-owner
0 of the ship Calmarsund, was a minor when his father died
0 in 1599, and under the guardianship of
0 _his maternal grandfather, Jacob van der Goes_, in 1603.
Pity Andries is not mentioned here.
0 He married November 9, 1623, a grand-niece of his guardian,
0 Margaret[ha], daughter of Martyn van der Goes of Middelburg,
0 Walcheren, and his wife Margaretha, daugher of Benjamin
0 Tysen, of Amsterdam.
We know already a Martijn or Martinus as Johanna's brother, so
Jacobus's son.
This other Martijn had six children:
Andries (!) van der Goes, Tysen van der Goes, Philips van der
Goes, Jacobus van der Goes, Margaretha who 0married Claes
Cornelisz, Cornelia who married Cornelis Lambertzen.
If Andries and Andries were brothers, and both called their son
Martijn - after their father? - would 'grand-niece' be a good
word for the relation between Jacobus and Margaretha,
daughter of his brother's son? I think so.

The story is interesting.
Pieter, the son of Claes Cornelisz and Margaretha van der Goes,
born 1625 on 6land, went from Amsterdam to New Amsterdam
and called himself
"Peter Claesz Wyckoff", probably meant as "refugee"!
(de wijk nemen - to flee away.)

0AugustdM.


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"Aug. de Man"
11.07.2011 - 11:21
Correction
If Andries and Andries were brothers
I meant of course: if Jacobus and Andries were brothers, and they
both called their son
Martijn - after their father? - would 'grand-niece' be a good
word for the relation between Jacobus and Margaretha,
daughter of his brother's son? I think so.

But is there any proof also Jacobus had a son called Martijn?
On the internet everyone assumes Martijn who married
Margaretha Benjaminsdr Tijsen was Jacobus's daughter,
which is not correct if 'grand-niece' is correct. So maybe
Jacobus did not have a son Martijn after all.

What you find on the internet can be totally ridiculous, like:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/d/i/l/Marianne-Dillow/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0554.html
Martyn van Der Goes
(son of Jacob van Der Goes and Matilda Balbani)
married
(1) Margaretha Tysen on 02 Sep 1594 in Amsterdam,
Noord, Netherlands.
(2) Margarethe Tyson.
(3) Claire Vanderstraeten.
(4) Margaretha Benjaminsdotter Tijsen.
(5) Margaretha Tysen on 02 Sep 1594 in Amsterdam, Noord,
(6) Margaretha Tijsen on 02 Sep 1594 in Amsterdam, Noord,
Netherlands.
Amsterdam is now in the province of Noord-Holland, whence
Noord, Netherlands ...





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