Morality: Honor vs Loyalty

On Tuesday, August 28, 2012 1:43:08 AM UTC-4, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
Contrary to pro-war U.S. "patriots", honor is not the same as loyalty.

;-)



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Each person has an individual responsibility to

determine if his actions are moral, and no government

or army may ever take that responsibility away.



definition:

murder - the unjustifiable (immoral) killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS.

Lying - What Vinnie does when claiming credentials he does not possess.

On 28 Aug, 06:43, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@coldine.edu> wrote:
honor is not the same as loyalty.
As you are a (pretend) military historian, I thought you would be
familiar with the phrase "Meine Ehre heißt Treue"...

"Bill" <email@anonym; wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:49:53 -0700 (PDT), Moramarth
<Memail@anonym; wrote:

On 28 Aug, 06:43, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@coldine.edu> wrote:
honor is not the same as loyalty.
As you are a (pretend) military historian, I thought you would be
familiar with the phrase "Meine Ehre heißt Treue"...


The motto of an organisation that not only gets beaten but ends up
declared criminal, and every one involved is therefore a criminal by
association, seems to be a reasonable argument on his side...


We didn't get beaten, beaten is when your troops are
driven into the ...sea, as in Dunkirk. Not when they leave
on a 747 when they're good and ready, as with our troops
in Iraq.


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Bill wrote:

an organisation that not only gets beaten but ends up
declared criminal, and every one involved is therefore a criminal by
association, seems to be a reasonable argument on his side...

As it is the reasonable argument of *every* court in the world for
any organization it does not approve of.

you need examples, son, or can you use your pea brain?
;-)

On Tuesday, August 28, 2012 1:43:08 AM UTC-4, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
Contrary to pro-war U.S. "patriots", honor is not the same as loyalty.

;-)



--

Each person has an individual responsibility to

determine if his actions are moral, and no government

or army may ever take that responsibility away.



definition:

murder - the unjustifiable (immoral) killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS.

PROVE that you are in "academia"...

Bill wrote:
On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:50:16 -0700, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D."
<email@anonym; wrote:


Bill wrote:

an organisation that not only gets beaten but ends up
declared criminal, and every one involved is therefore a criminal by
association, seems to be a reasonable argument on his side...

As it is the reasonable argument of *every* court in the world for
any organization it does not approve of.


Now you get to name some.

oh dear...you are a thick dolt

Son, beyond merely allowing "reasonable arguments", *any* U.S.
court (pick one) can convict an active member, at any level, of an
organization whose members are doing acts deemed criminal, even if
said member is not directly doing the criminal acts but knew or should
have known.

The "unreasonable" part is when you attempt to *exclude* your favorite
criminal organization...to give them a free pass to murder.

definition: murder - the immoral killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS

;-)


--
Each person has an individual responsibility to
determine if his actions are moral, and no government
or army may ever take that responsibility away.

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jonathan wrote:
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Contrary to pro-war U.S. "patriots", honor is not the same as loyalty.
;-)

--
Each person has an individual responsibility to
determine if his actions are moral, and no government
or army may ever take that responsibility away.



A dictatorship is the ultimate example of organized crime.
To say it's immoral, illegal or somehow dishonorable to
free a population from the slavery of a despot is an opinion
that deserves contempt.

Such dictators deserve no protection under international
law. The whole Euro thing about sovereignty is a ridiculous
argument, since the word denotes a....KING!


Definition of SOVEREIGNTY

1 obsolete : supreme excellence or an example of it
2a : supreme power especially over a body politic


Is that what you're defending....Kings and Dictators and
other running crimes against humanity? If left to the appeasing
Europeans, half the world would be run by terrorists.

The highest ranking, and most revered Ayatollah in
the region, representing the vast majority in Iraq, was on
...our side. In fact Sistani had a working veto over our
operations in Iraq. He not only castigated Bush repeatedly
for not bringing in enough troops, but also insisted we
clear out Fallujah, and made voting a religious law.

The invasion of Iraq also set off the Arab Spring, which
eventually will mean the freeing of millions more in
the Middle East.



definition:
murder - the unjustifiable (immoral) killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS.



Killing a brutal dictator is justified on countless moral grounds.


s








Son,...firstly, you clearly have no clue what this simple topic
is about, and secondly, the definition of "brutal dictator" is
highly subjective,


Only for people like you and Bill that show no signs
at all of knowing the difference between right and wrong.

Tell me, when it comes to governments, what is right and
what is wrong? From what I can see, your sense of morality
is driven by jealously and hate, not thought or reason.

But prove me wrong, lets hear it?







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