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Roland Perry
25.03.2010 - 20:04
25.03.2010 - 20:04
20-30 minute walking transfer between Paris Nord and Est (in both
directions) seems possible, but would be miserable in the rain. Involves
a substantial flight of stone stairs, if you take what appears to be the
shortest route.
TGV to Strasbourg is a bit of a con, as only half the trip is on a High
Speed line.
No wifi on Eurostar, TGV or either Paris station (except a couple of
subscription, not PAYG, hotspots).
Trams in Strasbourg, as ever, a marvel. If only every city had a system
like that. Seamlessly integrated into the road system with junctions
choreographed like a ballet.
Picking up the return TGV ticket in Strasbourg was exciting; which of
these three machines (the station had several of each) would you expect
to use:
http://www.perry.co.uk/images/tgv-machine.jpg
--
Roland Perry
"Graham Harrison"
25.03.2010 - 20:44
25.03.2010 - 20:44
"Roland Perry" <email@anonym; wrote in message
news:jXbosLZtO7qLFAD$@perry.co.uk...
(Includes Eurostar and Midland Mainline)
20-30 minute walking transfer between Paris Nord and Est (in both
directions) seems possible, but would be miserable in the rain. Involves a
substantial flight of stone stairs, if you take what appears to be the
shortest route.
TGV to Strasbourg is a bit of a con, as only half the trip is on a High
Speed line.
No wifi on Eurostar, TGV or either Paris station (except a couple of
subscription, not PAYG, hotspots).
Trams in Strasbourg, as ever, a marvel. If only every city had a system
like that. Seamlessly integrated into the road system with junctions
choreographed like a ballet.
Picking up the return TGV ticket in Strasbourg was exciting; which of
these three machines (the station had several of each) would you expect to
use:
http://www.perry.co.uk/images/tgv-machine.jpg
--
Roland Perry
The one I would try last is the TEN machine. I'd probably try the middle
one first.
Daniel Smith
25.03.2010 - 21:00
25.03.2010 - 21:00
"Roland Perry" <email@anonym; wrote in message
news:jXbosLZtO7qLFAD$@perry.co.uk...
(Includes Eurostar and Midland Mainline)
20-30 minute walking transfer between Paris Nord and Est (in both
directions) seems possible, but would be miserable in the rain.
Involves a substantial flight of stone stairs, if you take what
appears to be the shortest route.
TGV to Strasbourg is a bit of a con, as only half the trip is on a
High Speed line.
No wifi on Eurostar, TGV or either Paris station (except a couple of
subscription, not PAYG, hotspots).
Trams in Strasbourg, as ever, a marvel. If only every city had a
system like that. Seamlessly integrated into the road system with
junctions choreographed like a ballet.
Picking up the return TGV ticket in Strasbourg was exciting; which of
these three machines (the station had several of each) would you
expect to use:
http://www.perry.co.uk/images/tgv-machine.jpg
--
Roland Perry
The one I would try last is the TEN machine. I'd probably try the
middle one first.
the middle one if i was going immidiatly, the left one if not
Mizter T
25.03.2010 - 21:04
25.03.2010 - 21:04
On Mar 25, 7:040pm, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote:
(Includes Eurostar and Midland Mainline)
20-30 minute walking transfer between Paris Nord and Est (in both
directions) seems possible, but would be miserable in the rain. Involves
a substantial flight of stone stairs, if you take what appears to be the
shortest route.
More like 10 minutes surely... and this isn't just me being optimistic
and insisting everyone route marches it, it's what Mr Seat 61 says
too! See:
<http://www.seat61.com/Paris-metro.htm#Metro%20routes%20from>
TGV to Strasbourg is a bit of a con, as only half the trip is on a High
Speed line.
No wifi on Eurostar, TGV or either Paris station (except a couple of
subscription, not PAYG, hotspots).
Wonder if it's coming to Eurostar soon? The clamour for it will surely
just get louder as time goes on. It wouldn't have to be available in
the Chunnel itself (it's only 20 mins after all), but there'd be the
issue of all the other tunnels on the route (though again I suppose
they could pass on availability in the London tunnels, at least
initially). I
suppose there could be all sorts of issues with wifi on a 'proper'
high-speed train (as opposed to a High Speed Train) - is it offered
anywhere in Europe on such trains?
Trams in Strasbourg, as ever, a marvel. If only every city had a system
like that. Seamlessly integrated into the road system with junctions
choreographed like a ballet.
But wouldn't that hold up the traffic? Not sure we could have that...
Picking up the return TGV ticket in Strasbourg was exciting; which of
these three machines (the station had several of each) would you expect
to use:
http://www.perry.co.uk/images/tgv-machine.jpg
Er, well it's not going to be the one on the right - that's for local
- well actually I should say regional - trains (TER Alscace). Either
of the other ticket machines I'd say - the grey and yellow one on the
left is the normal SNCF 'Grandes Lignes' / mainline ticket machine.
The purple one in the middle is obviously something to do with "TGV
Pro", which is the 'business category' of TGV ticketing (for want of a
better description) and offers some flexibility (as opposed to
"Loisir" / leisure category tickets).
Actually, that said, I guess that the purple "TGV Pro" ticket machines
are solely reserved for people picking up or altering TGV Pro tickets,
so they don't have to wait around whilst the hoi polloi faffs around
in front of them. So, I'll change my answer and say the grey and
yellow one - unless you had a business class ticket. (Certainly a
marked difference from our interchangeable system.) Did you try them
all?
Arthur Figgis
25.03.2010 - 21:32
25.03.2010 - 21:32
On 25/03/2010 19:04, Roland Perry wrote:
(Includes Eurostar and Midland Mainline)
20-30 minute walking transfer between Paris Nord and Est (in both
directions) seems possible,
For an asthmatic ant with heavy shopping?
but would be miserable in the rain.
Well, yes.
Involves
a substantial flight of stone stairs, if you take what appears to be the
shortest route.
TGV to Strasbourg is a bit of a con, as only half the trip is on a High
Speed line.
I think they are fixing that.
No wifi on Eurostar, TGV or either Paris station (except a couple of
subscription, not PAYG, hotspots).
Trams in Strasbourg, as ever, a marvel. If only every city had a system
like that. Seamlessly integrated into the road system with junctions
choreographed like a ballet.
Picking up the return TGV ticket in Strasbourg was exciting; which of
these three machines (the station had several of each) would you expect
to use:
http://www.perry.co.uk/images/tgv-machine.jpg
Middle? Definitely not the right.
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK
(Includes Eurostar and Midland Mainline)
20-30 minute walking transfer between Paris Nord and Est (in both
directions) seems possible,
For an asthmatic ant with heavy shopping?
but would be miserable in the rain.
Well, yes.
Involves
a substantial flight of stone stairs, if you take what appears to be the
shortest route.
TGV to Strasbourg is a bit of a con, as only half the trip is on a High
Speed line.
I think they are fixing that.
No wifi on Eurostar, TGV or either Paris station (except a couple of
subscription, not PAYG, hotspots).
Trams in Strasbourg, as ever, a marvel. If only every city had a system
like that. Seamlessly integrated into the road system with junctions
choreographed like a ballet.
Picking up the return TGV ticket in Strasbourg was exciting; which of
these three machines (the station had several of each) would you expect
to use:
http://www.perry.co.uk/images/tgv-machine.jpg
Middle? Definitely not the right.
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK
Roland Perry
25.03.2010 - 21:36
25.03.2010 - 21:36
In message <jXbosLZtO7qLFAD$@perry.co.uk>, at 19:04:13 on Thu, 25 Mar
2010, Roland Perry <email@anonym; remarked:
Midland Mainline
And almost inevitably on EMT: "Due to staff shortages there will be no
buffet/bar service available". Only announced after we'd left, of
course.
The train is especially crowded with luggage for some reason. The tiny
carriage-end luggage racks are full, and at just this one table there
are three "surplus" airline sized trolley bags - that the Meridian's
miniature overhead luggage racks don't even come close to accepting.
My mood is not improved by (a) having to evict a party from my reserved
seat and (b) the train's inherent screening/electrical noise preventing
me from getting any connectivity even before we left St Pancras, on
either Vodafone or "3".
Oh I'm so glad to be back in England, experiencing all the "advantages"
of travelling by train.
--
Roland Perry
2010, Roland Perry <email@anonym; remarked:
Midland Mainline
And almost inevitably on EMT: "Due to staff shortages there will be no
buffet/bar service available". Only announced after we'd left, of
course.
The train is especially crowded with luggage for some reason. The tiny
carriage-end luggage racks are full, and at just this one table there
are three "surplus" airline sized trolley bags - that the Meridian's
miniature overhead luggage racks don't even come close to accepting.
My mood is not improved by (a) having to evict a party from my reserved
seat and (b) the train's inherent screening/electrical noise preventing
me from getting any connectivity even before we left St Pancras, on
either Vodafone or "3".
Oh I'm so glad to be back in England, experiencing all the "advantages"
of travelling by train.
--
Roland Perry
Roland Perry
25.03.2010 - 21:38
25.03.2010 - 21:38
In message <hogfdq$r4d$email@anonym;, at 20:00:56 on
Thu, 25 Mar 2010, Daniel Smith <email@anonym; remarked:
http://www.perry.co.uk/images/tgv-machine.jpg
The one I would try last is the TEN machine. I'd probably try the
middle one first.
the middle one if i was going immidiatly, the left one if not
What do you define as "immediately"? Same day as travel?
--
Roland Perry
Mizter T
25.03.2010 - 21:38
25.03.2010 - 21:38
On Mar 25, 7:440pm, "Graham Harrison"
<edward.harris...@remove.btinternet.com> wrote:
"Roland Perry" <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> [snip]
> Picking up the return TGV ticket in Strasbourg was exciting; which of
> these three machines (the station had several of each) would you expect=
to
> use:
>http://www.perry.co.uk/images/tgv-machine.jpg
The one I would try last is the TEN machine. 0 I'd probably try the mid=
dle
one first.
The scrawl is misleading - it's actually TER, for "Transport Express
R9gional" - see:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TER>
Roland Perry
25.03.2010 - 21:56
25.03.2010 - 21:56
In message
<email@anonym;, at
13:04:31 on Thu, 25 Mar 2010, Mizter T <mizter.email@anonym; remarked:
20-30 minute walking transfer between Paris Nord and Est (in both
directions) seems possible, but would be miserable in the rain. Involves
a substantial flight of stone stairs, if you take what appears to be the
shortest route.
More like 10 minutes surely... and this isn't just me being optimistic
and insisting everyone route marches it, it's what Mr Seat 61 says
too! See:
<http://www.seat61.com/Paris-metro.htm#Metro%20routes%20from>
There are several sets of "roadworks" on the pavement at the moment,
which slows people down. But given that the Eurostar platforms are at
the wrong side of Nord, that I'm including the time to walk the length
of the E* train (through crowds of other pax), and you have to haul
luggage down that long staircase near Est, I think 10 minutes is
extremely optimistic.
suppose there could be all sorts of issues with wifi on a 'proper'
high-speed train (as opposed to a High Speed Train) - is it offered
anywhere in Europe on such trains?
Thalys manages it.
Trams in Strasbourg, as ever, a marvel. If only every city had a system
like that. Seamlessly integrated into the road system with junctions
choreographed like a ballet.
But wouldn't that hold up the traffic? Not sure we could have that...
It doesn't seem to hold up the other traffic. All the sets of lights at
big junctions seem to be synchronised with the trams, and yet the cars
feel like they get just as much of a go as if the trams weren't there.
Picking up the return TGV ticket in Strasbourg was exciting; which of
these three machines (the station had several of each) would you expect
to use:
http://www.perry.co.uk/images/tgv-machine.jpg
Er, well it's not going to be the one on the right - that's for local
- well actually I should say regional - trains (TER Alscace). Either
of the other ticket machines I'd say - the grey and yellow one on the
left is the normal SNCF 'Grandes Lignes' / mainline ticket machine.
The purple one in the middle is obviously something to do with "TGV
Pro", which is the 'business category' of TGV ticketing (for want of a
better description) and offers some flexibility (as opposed to
"Loisir" / leisure category tickets).
Actually, that said, I guess that the purple "TGV Pro" ticket machines
are solely reserved for people picking up or altering TGV Pro tickets,
so they don't have to wait around whilst the hoi polloi faffs around
in front of them. So, I'll change my answer and say the grey and
yellow one - unless you had a business class ticket.
No, I was travelling cheap, trying (only just succeeded) to match the
airfare. The TGV was more expensive than the total of Eurostar and EMT
legs, despite being an advance purchase.
(Certainly a marked difference from our interchangeable system.) Did
you try them all?
I tried the purple ones, several times - both with Credit Card for my
collection token (which were rejected with a bald "not accepted") and
with the UK-alike ticket-collection-number (which said "Cannot issue
ticket - ask at the ticket office")[1].
Finally, I gave one of the yellow machines a go, and that worked. I
pictured the light blue machine just to show there was a third type of
ticket machine there, or four if you include the bus/tram ticketing
machines!
[1] A more helpful response might be "Try a SNCF machine instead, the
TGV logo on this machine is a bluff".
--
Roland Perry
<email@anonym;, at
13:04:31 on Thu, 25 Mar 2010, Mizter T <mizter.email@anonym; remarked:
20-30 minute walking transfer between Paris Nord and Est (in both
directions) seems possible, but would be miserable in the rain. Involves
a substantial flight of stone stairs, if you take what appears to be the
shortest route.
More like 10 minutes surely... and this isn't just me being optimistic
and insisting everyone route marches it, it's what Mr Seat 61 says
too! See:
<http://www.seat61.com/Paris-metro.htm#Metro%20routes%20from>
There are several sets of "roadworks" on the pavement at the moment,
which slows people down. But given that the Eurostar platforms are at
the wrong side of Nord, that I'm including the time to walk the length
of the E* train (through crowds of other pax), and you have to haul
luggage down that long staircase near Est, I think 10 minutes is
extremely optimistic.
suppose there could be all sorts of issues with wifi on a 'proper'
high-speed train (as opposed to a High Speed Train) - is it offered
anywhere in Europe on such trains?
Thalys manages it.
Trams in Strasbourg, as ever, a marvel. If only every city had a system
like that. Seamlessly integrated into the road system with junctions
choreographed like a ballet.
But wouldn't that hold up the traffic? Not sure we could have that...
It doesn't seem to hold up the other traffic. All the sets of lights at
big junctions seem to be synchronised with the trams, and yet the cars
feel like they get just as much of a go as if the trams weren't there.
Picking up the return TGV ticket in Strasbourg was exciting; which of
these three machines (the station had several of each) would you expect
to use:
http://www.perry.co.uk/images/tgv-machine.jpg
Er, well it's not going to be the one on the right - that's for local
- well actually I should say regional - trains (TER Alscace). Either
of the other ticket machines I'd say - the grey and yellow one on the
left is the normal SNCF 'Grandes Lignes' / mainline ticket machine.
The purple one in the middle is obviously something to do with "TGV
Pro", which is the 'business category' of TGV ticketing (for want of a
better description) and offers some flexibility (as opposed to
"Loisir" / leisure category tickets).
Actually, that said, I guess that the purple "TGV Pro" ticket machines
are solely reserved for people picking up or altering TGV Pro tickets,
so they don't have to wait around whilst the hoi polloi faffs around
in front of them. So, I'll change my answer and say the grey and
yellow one - unless you had a business class ticket.
No, I was travelling cheap, trying (only just succeeded) to match the
airfare. The TGV was more expensive than the total of Eurostar and EMT
legs, despite being an advance purchase.
(Certainly a marked difference from our interchangeable system.) Did
you try them all?
I tried the purple ones, several times - both with Credit Card for my
collection token (which were rejected with a bald "not accepted") and
with the UK-alike ticket-collection-number (which said "Cannot issue
ticket - ask at the ticket office")[1].
Finally, I gave one of the yellow machines a go, and that worked. I
pictured the light blue machine just to show there was a third type of
ticket machine there, or four if you include the bus/tram ticketing
machines!
[1] A more helpful response might be "Try a SNCF machine instead, the
TGV logo on this machine is a bluff".
--
Roland Perry
David Hansen
25.03.2010 - 22:29
25.03.2010 - 22:29
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:38:45 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be Mizter T
<mizter.email@anonym; wrote this:-
The scrawl is misleading - it's actually TER, for "Transport Express
Régional"
and the "Alsace" bit gives a clue that it might not be for long
distance tickets.
I thought the left machine and was very surprised that I got the
right answer.
--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/ukpga_20000023_en_8#pt3-pb3-l1g54
<mizter.email@anonym; wrote this:-
The scrawl is misleading - it's actually TER, for "Transport Express
Régional"
and the "Alsace" bit gives a clue that it might not be for long
distance tickets.
I thought the left machine and was very surprised that I got the
right answer.
--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/ukpga_20000023_en_8#pt3-pb3-l1g54
Mizter T
25.03.2010 - 22:34
25.03.2010 - 22:34
On Mar 25, 8:360pm, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote:
In message <jXbosLZtO7qLF...@perry.co.uk>, at 19:04:13 on Thu, 25 Mar
2010, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> remarked:
> Midland Mainline
And almost inevitably on EMT: "Due to staff shortages there will be no
buffet/bar service available". Only announced after we'd left, of
course.
EMT sound totally hopeless in this regard - it's not just you, I've
heard reports from others too.
The train is especially crowded with luggage for some reason. The tiny
carriage-end luggage racks are full, and at just this one table there
are three "surplus" airline sized trolley bags - that the Meridian's
miniature overhead luggage racks don't even come close to accepting.
My mood is not improved by (a) having to evict a party from my reserved
seat [...]
Was this actually problematic - i.e. did they fuss about it? Given the
fact that so many reserved seats never get inhabited by the reserver
(reservee?), it's unsurprising that people chance theur luck by
sitting in them. FWIW I've regularly turfed out bods from our reserved
TGV seats (though there's no fuss).
[...]and (b) the train's inherent screening/electrical noise preventing
me from getting any connectivity even before we left St Pancras, on
either Vodafone or "3".
I suppose you wouldn't have had that in the air either, not on
whatever flight you might have been taking (or would you?).
Oh I'm so glad to be back in England, experiencing all the "advantages"
of travelling by train.
"Willms"
25.03.2010 - 22:40
25.03.2010 - 22:40
Am Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:04:13 UTC, schrieb Roland Perry
<email@anonym; auf uk.railway :
TGV to Strasbourg is a bit of a con, as only half the trip is on a High
Speed line.
maybe timewise, but not distancewise. The LGV covers 300 km of the
distance, and this in one hour. It takes a quarter of an hour to get
from Gare de l'Est to the beginning of the LGV at Vaires, and then
from Baudrecourt on you have the "classic line". These days the press
reported that the first building contract for Phase 2 of LGV Est has
been signed, which will bring the LGV to Vendenheim in the Rhine
valley plane.
Picking up the return TGV ticket in Strasbourg was exciting; which of
these three machines (the station had several of each) would you expect
to use:
http://www.perry.co.uk/images/tgv-machine.jpg
First step: exclude the blue "TER Alsace" machine, because I want a
TGV ticket, not a regional one.
Remains the choice between the yellow and the pink (SNCF _loves_
pink), and I chose the yellow one, because that is marked with "achat"
(to buy), while the pink one is only for changing a ticket ("échange")
and then probably also for retrieving a pre-booked ticket.
Cheers,
L.W.
---------------------------------------------------------------
<email@anonym; auf uk.railway :
TGV to Strasbourg is a bit of a con, as only half the trip is on a High
Speed line.
maybe timewise, but not distancewise. The LGV covers 300 km of the
distance, and this in one hour. It takes a quarter of an hour to get
from Gare de l'Est to the beginning of the LGV at Vaires, and then
from Baudrecourt on you have the "classic line". These days the press
reported that the first building contract for Phase 2 of LGV Est has
been signed, which will bring the LGV to Vendenheim in the Rhine
valley plane.
Picking up the return TGV ticket in Strasbourg was exciting; which of
these three machines (the station had several of each) would you expect
to use:
http://www.perry.co.uk/images/tgv-machine.jpg
First step: exclude the blue "TER Alsace" machine, because I want a
TGV ticket, not a regional one.
Remains the choice between the yellow and the pink (SNCF _loves_
pink), and I chose the yellow one, because that is marked with "achat"
(to buy), while the pink one is only for changing a ticket ("échange")
and then probably also for retrieving a pre-booked ticket.
Cheers,
L.W.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Charlie Hulme
25.03.2010 - 22:43
25.03.2010 - 22:43
Mizter T wrote:
On Mar 25, 7:04 pm, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote:
(Includes Eurostar and Midland Mainline)
20-30 minute walking transfer between Paris Nord and Est (in both
directions) seems possible, but would be miserable in the rain. Involves
a substantial flight of stone stairs, if you take what appears to be the
shortest route.
More like 10 minutes surely... and this isn't just me being optimistic
and insisting everyone route marches it, it's what Mr Seat 61 says
too! See:
<http://www.seat61.com/Paris-metro.htm#Metro%20routes%20from>
Hmm ... the area can be bustling with people, I wouldn't like to
try it in 10 minutes personally. The shortest route with the
steps down alongside Est station always feels slightly
threatening to me, I wonuldn't go hat way in the dark.
suppose there could be all sorts of issues with wifi on a 'proper'
high-speed train (as opposed to a High Speed Train) - is it offered
anywhere in Europe on such trains?
I have used wi-fi on Thalys trains.
Trams in Strasbourg, as ever, a marvel. If only every city had a system
like that. Seamlessly integrated into the road system with junctions
choreographed like a ballet.
But wouldn't that hold up the traffic? Not sure we could have that...
Strasbourg is a very pleasant place to walk round - although
there are occasionally disruptions: on one occasion I saw a
driver getting out to work a crossover with a point-iron to turn
back in the city centre, presumably to get back on time. Watch
out for the dubious-looking people who want to 'help you use the
ticket machines.' Mind you, I have seen that in Manchester recently.
The first batch of trams were built in York, you know.
Charlie
On Mar 25, 7:04 pm, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote:
(Includes Eurostar and Midland Mainline)
20-30 minute walking transfer between Paris Nord and Est (in both
directions) seems possible, but would be miserable in the rain. Involves
a substantial flight of stone stairs, if you take what appears to be the
shortest route.
More like 10 minutes surely... and this isn't just me being optimistic
and insisting everyone route marches it, it's what Mr Seat 61 says
too! See:
<http://www.seat61.com/Paris-metro.htm#Metro%20routes%20from>
Hmm ... the area can be bustling with people, I wouldn't like to
try it in 10 minutes personally. The shortest route with the
steps down alongside Est station always feels slightly
threatening to me, I wonuldn't go hat way in the dark.
suppose there could be all sorts of issues with wifi on a 'proper'
high-speed train (as opposed to a High Speed Train) - is it offered
anywhere in Europe on such trains?
I have used wi-fi on Thalys trains.
Trams in Strasbourg, as ever, a marvel. If only every city had a system
like that. Seamlessly integrated into the road system with junctions
choreographed like a ballet.
But wouldn't that hold up the traffic? Not sure we could have that...
Strasbourg is a very pleasant place to walk round - although
there are occasionally disruptions: on one occasion I saw a
driver getting out to work a crossover with a point-iron to turn
back in the city centre, presumably to get back on time. Watch
out for the dubious-looking people who want to 'help you use the
ticket machines.' Mind you, I have seen that in Manchester recently.
The first batch of trams were built in York, you know.
Charlie
Roland Perry
25.03.2010 - 22:49
25.03.2010 - 22:49
In message
<email@anonym;, at
14:34:16 on Thu, 25 Mar 2010, Mizter T <mizter.email@anonym; remarked:
(a) having to evict a party from my reserved
seat [...]
Was this actually problematic - i.e. did they fuss about it?
It was a party of three ladies who had been on an "up for the day"
shopping trip, and were surrounded by bags. It took some time for them
to decide to move to a different set of seats, rather than have me sat
next to them (which would also have involved them clearing some space on
the tabletop, and would have been ultimately futile because two more
passengers holding reservations turned up)).
Meanwhile a substantial queue was building up in the aisle, and they
indicated they didn't want to get out until there was enough space to
stand in, yet the aisle was full of me and of the people trying to get
past me. Let alone all the un-stackable trolley bags.
Given the fact that so many reserved seats never get inhabited by the
reserver (reservee?), it's unsurprising that people chance theur luck
by sitting in them. FWIW I've regularly turfed out bods from our
reserved TGV seats (though there's no fuss).
The carriage ended up being full (but no standees).
[...]and (b) the train's inherent screening/electrical noise preventing
me from getting any connectivity even before we left St Pancras, on
either Vodafone or "3".
I suppose you wouldn't have had that in the air either, not on
whatever flight you might have been taking (or would you?).
At the airport, I would. And part of the reason for taking the train is
the possibility to work, shirley? An HST would have been fine.
--
Roland Perry
<email@anonym;, at
14:34:16 on Thu, 25 Mar 2010, Mizter T <mizter.email@anonym; remarked:
(a) having to evict a party from my reserved
seat [...]
Was this actually problematic - i.e. did they fuss about it?
It was a party of three ladies who had been on an "up for the day"
shopping trip, and were surrounded by bags. It took some time for them
to decide to move to a different set of seats, rather than have me sat
next to them (which would also have involved them clearing some space on
the tabletop, and would have been ultimately futile because two more
passengers holding reservations turned up)).
Meanwhile a substantial queue was building up in the aisle, and they
indicated they didn't want to get out until there was enough space to
stand in, yet the aisle was full of me and of the people trying to get
past me. Let alone all the un-stackable trolley bags.
Given the fact that so many reserved seats never get inhabited by the
reserver (reservee?), it's unsurprising that people chance theur luck
by sitting in them. FWIW I've regularly turfed out bods from our
reserved TGV seats (though there's no fuss).
The carriage ended up being full (but no standees).
[...]and (b) the train's inherent screening/electrical noise preventing
me from getting any connectivity even before we left St Pancras, on
either Vodafone or "3".
I suppose you wouldn't have had that in the air either, not on
whatever flight you might have been taking (or would you?).
At the airport, I would. And part of the reason for taking the train is
the possibility to work, shirley? An HST would have been fine.
--
Roland Perry
Mizter T
25.03.2010 - 23:41
25.03.2010 - 23:41
On Mar 25, 9:400pm, "Willms" <l.wil...@domain.invalid> wrote:
Am Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:04:13 UTC, 0schrieb Roland Perry
<rol...@perry.co.uk> 0auf uk.railway :
> TGV to Strasbourg is a bit of a con, as only half the trip is on a High
> Speed line.
0 maybe timewise, but not distancewise. The LGV covers 300 km of the
distance, and this in one hour. It takes a quarter of an hour to get
from Gare de l'Est to the beginning of the LGV at Vaires, and then
from Baudrecourt on you have the "classic line". These days the press
reported that the first building contract for Phase 2 of LGV Est has
been signed, which will bring the LGV to Vendenheim in the Rhine
valley plane.
Good news.
> Picking up the return TGV ticket in Strasbourg was exciting; which of
> these three machines (the station had several of each) would you expect
> to use:
>http://www.perry.co.uk/images/tgv-machine.jpg
0 First step: exclude the blue "TER Alsace" machine, because I want a
TGV ticket, not a regional one.
0 Remains the choice between the yellow and the pink (SNCF _loves_
pink), and I chose the yellow one, because that is marked with "achat"
(to buy), while the pink one is only for changing a ticket ("9change")
and then probably also for retrieving a pre-booked ticket.
That's purple, not pink, surely? (I do wonder if I might be mildly
colour blind...)
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